But on some level, it would help to know I’m attending to my dopaminergic hygiene. I was on CDP choline, eating around 6 pasture raised eggs and milk every day. This compound has neuroprotective properties and is made up of choline and cytidine. This applies to a lot of supplements actually, Vitamin A is another one that really isn't good to take in pure powder form because it spikes blood levels too fast and fucks with internal production. The image above is a simplified illustration of synapse, which is connection between two nerve cells (neurons). Becomes more effective at regulating DA release, which may maintain stable DA levels over the long-term. I take them daily by eating 3 whole eggs every morning. Thus, it has been experimentally proven that CDP-choline increases noradrenaline and dopamine levels in the CNS. Anymore than that and the concentration/ mood boosting effects dissipate rapidly. CDP-Choline or Citicoline acts to counter the two processes mentioned above. I taken alpha-GPC, bitrate, and phosphatidylcholine. Citicoline in particular may help improve memory loss deficits and may enhance focus and concentration. Would you advise using all these strategies together (obviously uridine and choline; yes)? My foggy vision cleared and my eyes have too. I would start on the low end, perhaps 100mg per day, and slowly work up 50mg a time and see how you feel. My experience with nootropics has been very hit or miss, as I'm sure is true of most here. I would start with uridine and/or cdp-choline to see how you react to them. I do think in some sense that you can consider these effects permanent even if it requires continued supplemention. This naturally occurring choline source is present in every cell in your body. CDP-choline is a nootropic compound that is essentially a prodrug for both choline and uridine, conferring both of those molecules to the body following oral ingestion of CDP-Choline.Specifically, the CDP-choline dissociates into choline and cytidine, with the cytidine then converting into uridine. I would be very surprised if it is longer than 4hrs. CDP Choline (also known as Citicoline or Cytidine diphosphocholine) is a potent nootropic and a highly bioavailable choline source that is praised for its ability to cross the blood-brain barrier quickly, improving memory and protecting the brain against memory injury. Citicoline (cytidine diphosphocholine) is also known as CDP choline. Furthermore, this does not appear to be related at all to Vitamin D levels. After that I would incorporate inositol and eventually forskolin. During that summer I was taking 4 summer courses as well working over 30 hours a week, and I don't recall any waning of motivation over that very busy period. I always panic as I’m a professional writer and can’t get a decent amount of work done without my meds. CDP Choline works best for me at 125mg/day in the morning. Or do you have to keep taking it? CDP-choline is one of the three choline-containing phospholipids that can be … Discussion of nootropics and cognitive enhancers. In this study, guinea pigs were given oral inositol (1.2 g/kg) for 12 weeks (about 15-20g a day for humans). In the case of most if not all of these supplements, the upregulation that occurs seems to “stick” so long as you keep taking them ie your new baseline DA levels will stay higher than your previous baseline levels. In rats, striatal DA levels were measured after 6 weeks of supplementation. When the body performs positive behavior patterns, the release of dopamine acts as a reward for these behaviors and motivates us to continue seeking that feeling – hence its nickname as the ‘motivation molecule.’ Achievements su… Advice For Low Dopamine and CDP Choline - posted in Brain Health: Hi, I’m new the forum and I would appreciate some input/advice. Choline precursors in general are kind of overrated lol. Im not worried about buildup. In one study, CDP-choline was provided to aged rats over the course of seven months. This is a recap of the most interesting news and discussions relating to Parkinson’s Disease this past week. Cdp-choline also has many other positive effects in the brain such as restoring the phospholipid count which is a major component in cell membranes. You might see it written as Cytidine diphosphate choline, cytidine 5′-diphosphocholine, CDP-Choline, or Cognizin© when in its purest, most bio-available, branded form (also its most expensive form by some margin).. In the another treatment group, a dose of 500mg/kg was used, and this time a 18% increase was found.5www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1908237/, Interestingly, a third group received no citicoline at all, and they showed a 28% decrease in receptor density. Looks like that second peak of choline was used to determine the 60hr hl of the parent compound cdp-choline. Bromantane is interesting, it’s unclear whether its a safe and reliable way of upregulating dopamine but I may do some more research and see if it belongs on this page. However, it may be a key nutrient in regulating mental health, and deficiencies have even been implicated in schizophrenia.14https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1352895. CDP Choline, also known as Citicoline, is a supplement for cerebral metabolism. Citicoline, also known as CDP-choline, is a chemical produced naturally in our brains. The authors mentioned that individual differences in DA function may have acted as a self-selection factor in meditation practice. As a plentiful source of choline, citicoline helps to transport dopamine, increasing its release into the brain. Citicoline (cytidine diphosphate-choline, also called CDP-Choline), is a drug that is supplemented to raise levels of acetylcholine in the brain. That 60 hour half life given to cdp choline may not be correct btw. CDP-choline activates the biosynthesis of structural phospholipids in the neuronal membranes, increases cerebral metabolism and acts on the levels of various neurotransmitters. I eat (and cook) healthy, sleep enough, take long walks every day (not running, but not walking either:). That's what I experienced. This post is already too long so I'll get to the point - I'm interested in starting up a cdp-choline regimen once again, but I have reasons to suspect that I could run into choline related depression with frequent dosing. As such, upregulation may occur in part due to the increased cellular communication. The meditation, excersise and b8 didnt give any actual data for the increase which leads me to believe receptor density increase by these methods are negligible. CDP-Choline, also called citicoline, is a naturally-occuring compound and nootropic that is typically supplemented to improve cognitive performance. The lone study stating this figure noticed bi-phasic spikes in plasma choline (not cdp-choline) post intake: the much larger of the two at two hours, the smaller, plateued peak at 24 hours. And what would it look like assuming it is safe and without adverse effects? Do you use it 3 days in a row, and then 4 off, or do you go every other day? Or is the whole idea os synergy between several of the substances you described rubbish? While this is a possibility, I find it very unlikely that this accounts for every individual case. The biggest risk you have might come from excessive uridine or cdp choline, which can cause flat moods as they both raise acetylcholine quite a lot as well. For this, thas or the other reason my medication stops working once in a while almost overnight. These feedback mechanisms partially explain why drugs like cocaine are so addictive. This was fine while I was on a racetam, but I had been trying to keep cdp choline's dopaminergic sensitization going in lieu of the racetam cycle. Am i better off taking 250mg every 2 or 3 days? The long-term meditators were found to have blinked less often and had a different pattern from the the new meditators.17https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26871460, The study concluded that “long term meditation practice induces stable changes in baseline striatal DA functioning.”17https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26871460. Hence, CDP-choline is traditionally grouped with cholinergic rather than dopaminergic supplements. In the one treated group, a dose of 100mg/kg was used, and an 11% increase of DA receptor densities was found. Uridine works by repairing dopaminergic neurons and preventing overstimulation in the striatum.1https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/83720962https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/009130579500169W3https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2050447118https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2906500. I would suggest staying away from memantine period, it’s a very complex drug and it’s really not worth taking just to reduce tolerances to other substances. In reality, it’s not as simple as merely boosting a neurotransmitter and expecting a positive result. The only problem is that it will be harder to figure out the optimal doses for everything if you’re taking it all at once. In order to explain this distinction, I will need to provide a brief overview of some key brain mechanisms, namely homeostasis and synaptic transmission. You can try using a half-life calculator to find a dosage. It should be noted that the differences between the treatment groups and the nontreatment group was quite significant. It may up regulate dopamine … Your email address will not be published. I've never quite been able to get back to that level of cognitive function. CDP-Choline. There is now an increasingly large amount of evidence that exercise can increases DA receptor availability in the striatum.11https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26503310, In one study, exercise was shown to reduce the neurological damage that occurs from methamphetamine abuse. By preventing overstimulation of striatal DA receptors, uridine may help promote more stable and consistent levels of circulating DA in the brain. PC is rate-limited so that it just provides the building block for your body to take what it needs to make the right amount ACh without over-loading your brain with a direct precursor like CDP. Required fields are marked *. Still having motivational issues. 51,52 Several studies have investigated using CDP-choline as a supplement to levodopa. I’m much calmer now then I used to be, I accept it and try to tell myself, maybe in a couple of hours. Inositol, also referred to as Vitamin B8, is a molecule that is structurally similar to glucose. I think I'm going to reincorporate the citicoline once every 3 days, or try to split my 250mg dose in half and take it daily or every other day. In the first study I will be referencing, supplementation was shown to modify two unique DA receptors: D2L, and D2S. Been like 5 years on and off but mostly on . The herb was shockingly good I take daily doses of tianeptine sulphate and CDP form of choline,will probably add in forskolin and uridine but these have made a big difference in motivation energy mood and focus so I can vouch for a few of these. It has many interesting properties that warrant further research, but one of the lesser-known properties of the plant is its effect on DA receptors. I too get insanely positive results from CDP- choline but I can't use it more than 3 days a week. Adult men and women with methamphetamine dependence were given supervised exercise therapy while recovering. Seems to be the case for me, i skipped the citicoline in my stack this morning (and got tons of sleep last night) and im already feeling better. And last, I would cite the use of ultra low dose antipsychotic. Awesome, thank you. Uridine is a naturally-occuring nutrient and nootropic that is critical for brain function. CDP-Choline is available as an oral supplement and intravenous injection. Additionally, in my macroeconomics class I constantly surprised myself with how verbally fluent and confident I was when discussing the material with my professor in class. This is because DA receptor densities decrease with age, at a rate of about 3% per decade.6https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1476-5381.1991.tb12471.x. Forskolin has been noted to upregulate DA receptor densities quite significantly. I’m still trying to adjust to the 20g a day of inositol which does have some annoying GI discomfort. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This was even after controlling for age, sex, and smoking status.20https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20875835 Or do you have to choose between one or the other? The other two you mentioned don’t really fit in here, overall tolerance and upregulation are two totally seperate processes. It is critical for cellular signalling in the brain and facilitates communication between neurons. I would strongly suggest starting with uridine and/or cdp choline at smaller doses and work your way from there. ... reddit. Dopamine is a neurotransmitter; which are chemical messengers that the body uses to communicate between cells in the nervous system (1). I would like to give some food for thought: uridine and citicoline are probably redundant, because supplementation of one increase the other; the oral dosage for citicoline for a person of 75kg would be of about 1000mg, but as I know, sublingual administration increase bioavailability by a factor of 4-5, so the sublingual dosage shoud be 200-250mg to achieve 11% increase in D2 receptors (I don’t think that it is worth trying to achieve the 18% increase, because to less than double the dosage you have to increase dosage by a factor of five); even if percentage of receptors increase with inositol is not reported, I don’t think is negligible, because at high dosage it has the same efficacy of SSRIs for OCD and there are studies that reports a noticeable increase in SSRIs for OCD; about forskoline I don’t have a reference on dosage, but it worried me more than others supplements due to the risk of developing mania (inositol don’t increase responsiveness to amphetamine like substance, while forskoline does). It can also be obtained as a supplement in the form of choline bitartrate and other salt forms such as citrate which are commonly taken as supplements in conjunction with racetam nootropics.People often supplement choline bitartrate and phosphatidylcholine with nootropics because they are cheap. Subscribe to our newsletter stay up to date on the latest posts from Nootropics Professor. Because Citicoline is water soluble, the body readily absorbs it into the bloodstream, giving it a 90% bioavailability rate and increasing its effectiveness. With tianeptine gone now, you’re basically left with uridine/cdp choline, inositol, and forskolin. After seven months, levels of striatal DA were measured. This was accomplished by comparing 68 volunteers who had either high levels of sunlight exposure or low levels sunlight exposure. Order some CDP choline and took 1000mg. I do . In reality, these neurological processes are much more complex than this, but this will give you a general idea of how homeostasis works. Any advice would be much appreciated. Taking a dose every day is going to start compounding. Choline is the precursor to the neurotransmitter acetylcholine and can be obtained from foods in the form of phosphatidylcholine. CDP-choline was discovered in 1955. Various studies have found it to promote enhanced brain activity by supporting dopamine receptors and the synthesis of acetylcholine. I’m a 38-year-old male and in fairly good health. But in short, yes in theory you could start taking all the compounds in this post. As a bountiful source of choline, citicoline aids in the transportation of dopamine, augmenting its release into the brain. Once released, they are absorbed by the post-synaptic neurons as seen at the bottom. CDP-Choline is unique as a choline source. In regards to receptor densities, forskolin increased D2L receptor densities by 43%, and increased of D2S receptor densities by 107.5%.9http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9353595. One very interesting study measured spontaneous eyeblink rates, which is strongly correlated with striatal DA activity. Skip Inositol because you need to take so much? Over time, baseline DA levels will decrease due to this downregulating effect. If you can’t do everything at once? It’s just scary when that happens. I just started Nootropic stacking a few weeks ago, I am taking ALCAR, NALT, Citicoline, Lions Mane, Bacopa. Afterwards, it showed the same results as the previous study; increases in both the post and pre synaptic densities. CDP-Choline has been linked to a myriad of health benefits. In 2012 or 2013, things went in the tank for me…it’s like someone turned a light switch off. There is some emerging evidence that suggests inositol may be able to elevate DA levels over a long period. Antidepressants like Zoloft and Prozac share this mechanism, but act as serotonin reuptake inhibitors instead. Forskolin is an herbal extract that is touted for many alleged health benefits. This is because the enzyme responsible for DA synthesis (tyrosine hydroxylase) is partially mediated by calcium influx in the brain. I already take a stack with Alcar, NALT, and P.S. Hi all, several years ago I collected a lot of research and notes about neurotransmitters and it’s modulators. Chelsea, what herb are you talking about? Lately, the mental health benefits of exercise are gaining a lot of traction. Do you mind if I ask some questions about your historical usage: 3-Have you seen tolerance effects (need more to get the same effect). I should note I have not actually tried forskolin myself, but I will be sometime soon. It’s present in every cell of the human body and is naturally occurring in foods. I think M W F seems like a good place to start or adjust to based on people's experiences here. I would recommend taking phosphatydilcholine instead. DA release was shown to be significantly higher in treated rats; the treatment group had basal DA levels of 341+/-21%, while the control group had basal DA levels of 283+/-9%.4https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16055952 This measurement was seen after both 1 and 6 weeks of supplementation. In this study, the goal was to identify the correlation between sunshine exposure and DA levels. Lower levels of dopamine are released in response to stimuli (PMO) over time due to the Coolidge Effect. What Is Citicoline Sodium (CDP Choline Sodium) Citicoline sodium (Cytidine diphosphocholine), also referred to as CDP choline, is a compound that has neuro-protective properties. Have you noticed any of the classic pro-choline effects from phosphatidylcholine, verbal fluency, memory benefits, etc.? No issues at all. In rats, CDP-choline raised noradrenaline, dopamine, and serotonin levels in the brain centers for memory, emotions, and movement [59, 60]. A mix of weight training, HIIT, and cardio is generally a safe bet. For this post, I want to discuss an idea that is rather nuanced and complex: how to chronically upregulate dopamine (DA) levels. It is made up of choline and cytidine. CDP-Choline is converted to choline and uridine in vivo (in the body). This could prevent or treat Parkinson’s disease. People commonly refer to Citicoline by several different names, which can be confusing. Inositol is known to be a key signalling agent for neurotransmission, which may be enhanced by regular supplementation. If you want to skip ahead you can feel free to do so, but this information is worth knowing. Sulbutiamine. You might start out feeling great and then hit depression and have to wait for it to clear your system. So they both serve the same general purpose: a choline source so the body can make more acetylcholine but are metabolized differently, because they both shortcut to different parts of the acetylcholine production cycle. The release of dopamine keeps us motivated to seek out pleasure and reward. More studies are urgently needed. 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Do upregulation and tolerance avoidance go hand in hand? Be careful supplementing phosphatidylcholine, it can really spike certain GI bacteria in powdered, supplemental form (as opposed to being part of say egg yolk). https://www.medschat.com/Drugs/half-life-calculator.asp. More or less based on a colleague of yours. Taken together, it would appear that uridine may upregulate DA by both preventing excessive DA levels and by repairing/restoring neuronal DA functionality. Both long-term meditators and new meditators were examined over 8 weeks of a mindfulness-based stress reduction course. I think what I'll probably do if I ever decide to try another trial is dose on Monday, Wednesday, Saturday, or something like that, and see how I feel in 2 or 3 weeks. I'd like to hear people's experiences with frequent or daily dosing of strong choline sources. There is no universally accepted dosing regiment for uridine, it varies with the individual. Unlike those of many nootropics, CDP choline’s mechanisms of action have been extensively studied and understood.CDP choline is a psychostimulant nootropic that works in several ways: 1. CDP-Choline: Cytidine 5;-diphosphocholine, CDP-choline or citicoline is essential to the biosynthesis of phospholipids, like phosphatidylcholine. CDP Choline, one of the major components in Citicoline, encourages dopamine release and improves overall dopamine levels by acting as a dopamine agonist and inhibiting dopamine reuptake. The brain is constantly trying to maintain homeostasis: a stable, steady state of equilibrium. During that summer I could "feel" cdp-choline working, and I came to really enjoy the effects. You say long term but there haven’t really been any long term studies on humans with these compounds right? And I’m not talking about 8 hours of cranking out storylines. I just started taking it today (added to my stack) but it won't be daily. The study found that striatal D2/D3 receptor availability was significantly greater in the group with high exposure than the low exposure group. Once ingested, CDP-choline can easily cross the blood-brain barrier with its phospholipid backbone, where it can increase plasma levels of acetylcholine, as well as dopamine and norepinephrine. The brain contains about 100 billion neurons, and neurons are connected to one another in a complex web of synapses. There was also a study that these same bacteria might produce waste by products that are harmful to the cardiovascular system. However, the only foods that contain any appreciable amount of CDP-choline are liver, brain, and other organ meats. Additionally, given that rat lifespans are quite short, 7 months is quite a long time, which suggests these changes may be permanent. Are there any drawbacks/side effects? Rats were subjected to eight weeks of a food-reinforced running-wheel exercise. Can you just throw everything in there or is that a BIG NO NO!!:). The issue with taking numerous supplements all at once is that it’s hard to fine-tune them to figure out the optimal dosage for you, plus it can be hard to pinpoint which substance is working for you and which isn’t. “The herb was shockingly good”. My understanding is that they are both choline-providing substances the body makes on the way to manufacturing acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is a neurotransmitter that assists in the formation of memories. However, as the 3rd study indicated, it would appear that forskolin does in fact lead to DA sensitization in the brain through modulatory effects on DA receptor densities. CDP-choline is a nucleotide composed of choline, cytosine, ribose, and pyrophosphate. Let’s say a dopaminergic maintenance stack if one was on prescribed, ADHD meds at therapeutic doses. Like I don't have a care in the world. This process is commonly referred to as reuptake inhibition. CDP-choline (citicoline) contains a lot of choline and helps transport dopamine, the neurotransmitter responsible for feel-good emotions. The goal of this study was to determine the effects of long-term meditation on eyeblink activity; the results of which can be used to infer the effects on striatal DA levels. In rats, D2L receptor densities were increased by 43-96%, which indicated DA supersensitivity.13https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0922410694900817. That's a long time. It’s unclear which form of exercise is most effective. These cognitive functions, in turn, were shown to be correlated with eyeblink rates as well. Rather, it was found that DA binding affinity was increased.12https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/3/1/39/htm. And some amino acids as well. I’m curious what makes you think that for example the inositol induced increase in dopamine receptor density will stay after you stop taking inositol. The lone study stating this figure noticed bi-phasic spikes in plasma choline (not cdp-choline) post intake: the much larger of the two at two hours, the smaller, plateued peak at 24 hours. Here, the authors stated that meditation has been shown to affect cognitive functions such as mind wandering, cognitive flexibility, and attention. While scientific evidence on meditation is still in its infancy, there is emerging evidence of many incredible benefits to brain health and function. I personally think CDP choline is dosed too high for most people. Maybe a slight dulling of mood, but a huge, huge boost in verbal fluency as well as confidence. Here’s another behavioral change you can implement to increase DA sensitivity. I'd get your choline from eggs as part of a meal, that way it is more gradually absorbed. What is Citicoline? In order to get the same bang for your buck, you have to push the stakes higher, effectively pulling from an ever shrinking store of dopamine. There are two studies which show that meditation modestly increase DA levels, although effect did not appear permanent unless it was practiced regularly.15https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044190/16https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11958969/. Of those, the only one with notable side effects is forskolin, so I might suggest being more cautious with that. I hear that if you can take under 150mg per day you can prevent the depressive feeling, but is that dose actually effective? In short, what this study suggests is that the brain: In the next study, rats were directly injected with forskolin into their cerebrospinal fluid for 5 days. If you’d rather not read the history, skip down to the bottom for my questions. What Does CDP Choline Do? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3347821/. Drugs like cocaine work preventing this “vacuuming” effect (typically by blocking the action of a transporter called DAT). 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